@klard I’m sorry, but I am not following your line of reasoning. You are mixing psychosocial, psychiatric, and medical jargon; and frankly, alas, that makes for more obfuscation- both personally and collectively- and not for needful repudiation of the (costly) myth of mental illness. We could talk of the “merits” of psych medicine giving the mentally ill “the treatment”, but would that bring the whole drugging issue into sharper relief? The diseased brain: it is neurological, not psychiatric.
@whiff1962 : No I was not seeking to treat any depression. I noticed the counter depressant effect when I used the Salvia to stimulate dreaming activity. I agree that depression and most mental states are not actually illnesses but rather adaptive mechanisms that do no fit well with the demands of our culture. There are actually disease processes which may affect the mental state but most often these symptoms are the result of relative activity in areas of the brain and how they are connected
Very interesting, but I stick to other plant material. Are you looking to “treat” your depression as a “clinical” condition? I am not a strong proponent of the myth of mental illness. Still, if you derive benefit, then yeah, great for you!
@whiff1962 : Actually the experience was neither transient nor anything one could call a freak out. Dosage and manner of delivery are important. I chewed a small amount of leaves before bedtime. A small oral dosage gives no noticeable perceptual effects. Taking it in this manner also provides a slow release mechanism in that it absorbs slowly through your mucous membranes. I maximized the effect of stimulating dream activity and the antidepressant effects. Smoking Saliva is goofing around
Psychiatry, for all intent, is an institution. The profession is no different than the clergy of old, mutatis mutandis…and with its imprimatur of state, it does harm in the name of therapy and treatment. The alliance of state and medicine, which adds up to violations of constitutional law and of the dignity of the individual, is of “our” cultures making, and has become a very successful cultural export: now western Europe knows of ADHD, et. al.
This recent attention on the iatrogenic affects of the various neuroleptics is “depressogenic”. Peter Breggin and David Healey, also of this new left “critique” of psychiatry, have now taken on the task of uncovering the seemy underside of psychiatry, and to apportion blame on the longstanding ill effects of long-term use of neuroleptics. Decades have gone by, and now, this tempest in a teacup. This will not change the business as usual, especially with VA facilities, heavily reliant on drugs
Depression is a survival mechanism for millions of people from the insanity of competaive,destructive market system, the wage slavery in an employment system of useless,alienating exploitative,devaluing,distorting process. CAPITALISM= DEPRESSION
I’m trying to rid off SSRI’s. By using them i feel sick, angry, off touch with reality, dizzy. They are changing my character by modificating my perception of reality to be angry, to be angry of anything.
I was suposed to be cured from dp/dr, and got drugs who are causing it.
@klard I’m sorry, but I am not following your line of reasoning. You are mixing psychosocial, psychiatric, and medical jargon; and frankly, alas, that makes for more obfuscation- both personally and collectively- and not for needful repudiation of the (costly) myth of mental illness. We could talk of the “merits” of psych medicine giving the mentally ill “the treatment”, but would that bring the whole drugging issue into sharper relief? The diseased brain: it is neurological, not psychiatric.
@whiff1962 : No I was not seeking to treat any depression. I noticed the counter depressant effect when I used the Salvia to stimulate dreaming activity. I agree that depression and most mental states are not actually illnesses but rather adaptive mechanisms that do no fit well with the demands of our culture. There are actually disease processes which may affect the mental state but most often these symptoms are the result of relative activity in areas of the brain and how they are connected
Very interesting, but I stick to other plant material. Are you looking to “treat” your depression as a “clinical” condition? I am not a strong proponent of the myth of mental illness. Still, if you derive benefit, then yeah, great for you!
@whiff1962 : Actually the experience was neither transient nor anything one could call a freak out. Dosage and manner of delivery are important. I chewed a small amount of leaves before bedtime. A small oral dosage gives no noticeable perceptual effects. Taking it in this manner also provides a slow release mechanism in that it absorbs slowly through your mucous membranes. I maximized the effect of stimulating dream activity and the antidepressant effects. Smoking Saliva is goofing around
@klard Yeah, if one likes a transient freak-out experience…lol
Psychiatry, for all intent, is an institution. The profession is no different than the clergy of old, mutatis mutandis…and with its imprimatur of state, it does harm in the name of therapy and treatment. The alliance of state and medicine, which adds up to violations of constitutional law and of the dignity of the individual, is of “our” cultures making, and has become a very successful cultural export: now western Europe knows of ADHD, et. al.
This recent attention on the iatrogenic affects of the various neuroleptics is “depressogenic”. Peter Breggin and David Healey, also of this new left “critique” of psychiatry, have now taken on the task of uncovering the seemy underside of psychiatry, and to apportion blame on the longstanding ill effects of long-term use of neuroleptics. Decades have gone by, and now, this tempest in a teacup. This will not change the business as usual, especially with VA facilities, heavily reliant on drugs
Depression is a survival mechanism for millions of people from the insanity of competaive,destructive market system, the wage slavery in an employment system of useless,alienating exploitative,devaluing,distorting process. CAPITALISM= DEPRESSION
I’m trying to rid off SSRI’s. By using them i feel sick, angry, off touch with reality, dizzy. They are changing my character by modificating my perception of reality to be angry, to be angry of anything.
I was suposed to be cured from dp/dr, and got drugs who are causing it.
I found that oral use of Salvia Divinorum had a strong anti-depressant effect and is side effect free.